Appendix Carry Definitions, Part I

We’re in a time now where if one wants a good appendix holster they can go to any number of long standing makers and get something that works.  They can get it in red, blue, black, orange, lefty, righty, and get it tomorrow.  We also happen to be in a time where folks are slapping another “A” in front of a straight drop IWB holster to boost sales.  The thing is…  This works.  So do the holsters.  Not everyone needs a $30+ upcharge on an IWB with some bulgy things to conceal their gun, sometimes the tried and true will still work.  When it won’t it really won’t and that’s a concern.  One of the efforts started by Todd Green of was to work up some definitions so we can better discuss things.  I’m gonna do my best to link those here below, as well as copy them.

Snap 2016-06-26 at 12.58.29Official vote that will affect gun culture lingo for all time.

When talking about a typical holster (hip, iwb, aiwb) do you consider the BOTTOM of the holster to be:

* the end where the muzzle is (lowest portion of holster on your body)


* the end where the grip sticks out (“bottom” of the gun if you were holding it in your hand)

Muzzle or grip?


Second post in the series…

So based on the unanimous agreement that the “bottom” of the holster is the part closest to the ground (where the muzzle end is, with regard to a typical belt/thigh holster):

* Rotation around the x-axis (front to back axis) is ROLL, which we commonly call the “cant” of the holster.

* Rotation around the y-axis (side to side axis) is PITCH, which is what pushes the muzzle out to push the grip in toward the body (a la the wedges first introduced in the Garrity’s Gunleather In-Victus and now used as optional/add-on foam in many holsters such as the Keepers Concealment AIWB).

* Rotation around the z-axis (top to bottom axis) is YAW, which is what pushes the butt in while making the slide stick out a bit (a la the Custom Carry Concepts,LLC Shaggy, 5 Shot Leather, LLC SME, and holsters based on that design).


Ruger SP101

A little update on our clip-ons for these…  We make them to the 3″ model for a few reasons.  First and foremost the length added over the 2.25″ is minimal while worn but it has been shown over the years to greatly aid in stopping the flopping feeling.  Metal guns are heavy and with the little extra length below the belt the gun feels more secure.  Just as our J-Frame is a little longer we keep the SP101 the same.  It also happens to be a little cleaner looking and allows us to send out a holster that looks just a little better, we think. 
We can trim to any desired length on request though so don’t fret.

Lead Time as of March 2016

Most orders are getting out at around 3 weeks but some may be up to 8 weeks.  A few items are backlogged longer than that but they’re dwindling.  We’ll update when things improve.


Expect some new stuff soon too!

Local Orders

Effective immediately for all new orders we will have a smaller radius of meeting spots.  We’re dangerously close to our backlog goal and spending hours in the evening consumes too much time.


Good discussion here:


A distinction I would like to make is that the clip-on/casual carry holster is a straight drop IWB. I hate the trend of calling a foldover/taco holster that is vertical an AIWB holster. This particular holster happens to work for most people in the appendix position but differs from my AIWB with a built up wedge.

The clip doesn’t quite work well with my wedge, yet. With the wedge comes more rollover, or the feeling of, which is why I extend the small auto AIWB’s to approximately G19 length. The straight drop clip-on holster does however work quite well in the appendix position. Keeping the holster thin and using a secure attachment avoids the need for extra length to prevent the rollover. With all things it is a compromise and if something doesn’t work just speak up and I’ll do my best to get ya squared away.

MDTS Training/Raven Concealment Systems Moduloader Pocket Shield

We are working on rolling out a few attachments for this new product.  Hoping to have some images up by the first week of August and if you follow us on many of the forums there are some sneak peaks out now.  Hole spacing, holster shell refinements, and some other minor hardware details are still being sorted out but overall the product is great and we are pleased with the results we are seeing.


For more info check out MDTS Training and Raven Concealment Systems.